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		<title>On the Edge of Trolling, pt 4</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Name change went well, and I&#8217;ll post a much expanded retelling later. For now, I wanted to turn once again to comments that are barely questionable as trolling.  That is, comments that are almost certainly posted just to be obnoxious, but there&#8217;s the slimmest sliver of a chance the person honestly thinks that way and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name change went well, and I&#8217;ll post a much expanded retelling later.</p>
<p>For now, I wanted to turn once again to comments that are <em>barely </em>questionable as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29">trolling</a>.  That is, comments that are almost certainly posted just to be obnoxious, but there&#8217;s the slimmest sliver of a chance the person honestly thinks that way and isn&#8217;t intending to be inflammatory. This latest comment was posted to in reference to <a href="http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/07/misogyny-and-the-male-gaze/">Misogyny and the Male Gaze</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>What I love about trans is this:  They were sensitive and easily hurt to begin with, but now they feel they have a reason.  The dude&#8217;s always bothered you because he doesn&#8217;t think like you, but now the way he thinks *directly* deals with you, or so you think.</p>
<p>Get over it.  Yes, you are &#8220;a pair of tits with a dick&#8221;, and lots of people are going to see it that way.  Is that cool and fair and right? No.  But how many minds are you changing by whining about it?  Whining implies that you have no balls.</p>
<p>I mean, cry all you want, but you had your chance, still have your chance to be the man you were born as, so I think the crying is a little weird, forced and irrelevant at this point.</p></blockquote>
<p>How delightful!</p>
<p><span id="more-898"></span>We&#8217;ll jump over that first paragraph, including <a href="http://www.tsroadmap.com/wisdom/t-word.html">why trans should be used as an adjective and not a noun</a>, to get to the meat of things.</p>
<blockquote><p>Get over [people offending you]. Yes, you are &#8220;a pair of tits with a dick&#8221;, and lots of people are going to see it that way.  Is that cool and fair and right? No.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not really trolling so far. Not great advice, or delivered with any particular tact, but there is something to be said for the &#8220;toughen up and grow thicker skin&#8221; school of thought.</p>
<blockquote><p>But how many minds are you changing by whining about it?  Whining implies that you have no balls.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s where the comment really takes a trollish turn. First, I&#8217;d say I was attempting to create and engage in a discussion around A) How my views about women have changed now that I&#8217;m living as one full time, and B) What to do about people who step on or offend those views. <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=whining">Whining</a>, although certainly something I&#8217;ve engaged in (and undoubtedly will again) is a different beast. (BTW: I love the use of &#8216;peevish&#8217; in linked definition.) Of course, in saying this, I forget that anyone who disagrees with a man about the objectification of women <em>must </em>be whining.</p>
<p>Likewise, I think telling someone who is on hormones &#8211; hormones whose major goals are reducing testosterone and increasing estrogen &#8211; that they have no balls is a <em>hilarious </em>choice of insults. I can only hope that the irony is intentional.</p>
<blockquote><p>I mean, cry all you want, but you had your chance, still have your chance to be the man you were born as, so I think the crying is a little weird, forced and irrelevant at this point.</p></blockquote>
<p>At last we reach the heart of a good troll (each item comes with its own Derailing for Dummies link!)</p>
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<li>The chance to be <a href="http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#enjoyit">dismissive of my identity</a> as a trans woman (&#8220;&#8230;you had your chance, still have your chance to be the man you were born as&#8230;&#8221;)</li>
<li>Making claims I&#8217;m being <a href="http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#overemotional">overemotional</a></li>
<li>Simultaneously claiming my offense is <a href="http://www.derailingfordummies.com/#enjoyit">feigned and forced</a></li>
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<p>Anyone have any more to add, or have I hit &#8216;em?</p>
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