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	<title>Comments on: On the Edge of Trolling, pt 5</title>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-2961</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Kei. Yup, I still get comment notifications on older posts. :)

I couldn&#039;t agree more - we all know what&#039;s in our head, and in our heart, better than anyone else. So there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Kei. Yup, I still get comment notifications on older posts. <img src='http://fridaythang.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more &#8211; we all know what&#8217;s in our head, and in our heart, better than anyone else. So there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kei</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-2960</link>
		<dc:creator>Kei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re reading this far back anymore.

But to quote an animated George Harrison; &quot;It&#039;s all in the mind you know.&quot;
&quot;I think therefore I am.&quot;

It all comes down to who we are on the inside, and that&#039;s that (cop out on the end since I could find a way to end that statement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;re reading this far back anymore.</p>
<p>But to quote an animated George Harrison; &#8220;It&#8217;s all in the mind you know.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I think therefore I am.&#8221;</p>
<p>It all comes down to who we are on the inside, and that&#8217;s that (cop out on the end since I could find a way to end that statement).</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment! Well-said, and something far too many people have trouble remembering...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment! Well-said, and something far too many people have trouble remembering&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bakka</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1473</link>
		<dc:creator>Bakka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the 1+1=2, especially in light of this t-shirt http://bit.ly/G8uJx that reads, essentially, &quot;1+1=3 for very large values of one.&quot; Lest we forget that nature does not &quot;carve at the joints&quot; (Pace Plato), but instead involves a continuum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the 1+1=2, especially in light of this t-shirt <a href="http://bit.ly/G8uJx" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/G8uJx</a> that reads, essentially, &#8220;1+1=3 for very large values of one.&#8221; Lest we forget that nature does not &#8220;carve at the joints&#8221; (Pace Plato), but instead involves a continuum.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome, Meg. You raise a good point, that &quot;born a man, always a man&quot; forgets the huge amount of culture and socialization that goes into creating every single adult, even when ignoring how much of it has to do specifically with gender. No one springs, fully formed, from their parents&#039; heads (or loins...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Meg. You raise a good point, that &#8220;born a man, always a man&#8221; forgets the huge amount of culture and socialization that goes into creating every single adult, even when ignoring how much of it has to do specifically with gender. No one springs, fully formed, from their parents&#8217; heads (or loins&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 01:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know anybody who was born either a man or a woman. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s ever even happened. If it has, my condolences to the mother -- I imagine that giving birth to an adult would be a lot more difficult than giving birth to an infant (which is, I&#039;ve heard, often stressful enough).

I honestly don&#039;t understand why some people can&#039;t grasp sex vs. gender, either. Many plants have sexes, yet they don&#039;t have genders. Some cultures have three or five genders, but they have exactly the same number of sexes that we do. All you have to do is realize that our society and species is not the entirety of existence, and you can easily find bucket-loads of examples that illustrate the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know anybody who was born either a man or a woman. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s ever even happened. If it has, my condolences to the mother &#8212; I imagine that giving birth to an adult would be a lot more difficult than giving birth to an infant (which is, I&#8217;ve heard, often stressful enough).</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t understand why some people can&#8217;t grasp sex vs. gender, either. Many plants have sexes, yet they don&#8217;t have genders. Some cultures have three or five genders, but they have exactly the same number of sexes that we do. All you have to do is realize that our society and species is not the entirety of existence, and you can easily find bucket-loads of examples that illustrate the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1416</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve replied to your comment &lt;a href=&quot;http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/31/an-edge-of-trolling-detour/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;b&gt;Please direct any discussion regarding the above comment to that link. All responses posted on this page will be deleted and (if I&#039;m feeling generous) moved.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve replied to your comment <a href="http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/31/an-edge-of-trolling-detour/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <b>Please direct any discussion regarding the above comment to that link. All responses posted on this page will be deleted and (if I&#8217;m feeling generous) moved.</b></p>
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		<title>By: The Thang Blog &#187; An &#8216;Edge of Trolling&#8217; Detour</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>The Thang Blog &#187; An &#8216;Edge of Trolling&#8217; Detour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent comment from (amusingly enough) &#8220;Your Personal Troll&#8221; to On the Edge of Trolling, Pt 5 was written in such a way to make me want to respond, if only to get my own thoughts in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent comment from (amusingly enough) &#8220;Your Personal Troll&#8221; to On the Edge of Trolling, Pt 5 was written in such a way to make me want to respond, if only to get my own thoughts in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Your Personal Troll</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1398</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Personal Troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m here, I guess, to get some questions out, and maybe figure this out better in my head.  I don&#039;t want to cause problems for you, and you seem like you don&#039;t allow problems to arise for you-- so here&#039;s my big question today.

Say you do transition successfully.  HRT, facial feminization, vaginoplasty from some world class doctor in Thailand.  Lazer stuff for the hair, face, legs, etc.  Doctors examine you and you present as female.

What then?  Have you arrived?  Do you continue to feel as though you &quot;don&#039;t fit&quot;, which is presumably why you began this journey in the first place?  

That&#039;s my argument.  Please name me some very successful transgendered individuals, people who are widely known and recognized as successful leaders and teachers and individuals, because I don&#039;t know any.  It seems that all the resources used by individuals to change their physical bodies and processes to &quot;change gender&quot; could be spent better.  All that money, all that anguish, all the fighting against the system, and what do you gain?  Will you really gain the peace you seek?  Or are you stuck in a continuous loop of unfulfillment because instead of dealing with the hand you were dealt, you decided to discard that hand?  Instead of learning the true meaning of &quot;happiness&quot; and finding it in what you have, you go off on the wild goose chase, the search for the holy grail, the elusive &quot;peace&quot; that is sure to come when you look completely like a woman.  Right?

I&#039;m not saying that your transition isn&#039;t valid, I&#039;m not saying that you shouldn&#039;t do it, I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re wrong or that you will never be a real woman.  

What I am saying is this: What is your transition going to change?  What is it going to resolve for you that was so unresolved that you felt you had to take this path?  How is this path going to help YOU?  It&#039;s going to greatly benefit trans-surgeons and doctors and everyone you&#039;re going to pay for your procedures, but what about you?  Does this path really bring happiness?

That&#039;s all I&#039;d like to know.  That&#039;s the only part that really worries me-- I&#039;ve read and heard horror stories of how people do get to the other side and feel just as lost as they did before, which leads me to wonder if the transition is just another symptom, not necessarily a solution.  

Sorry for the super long comment and I want to apologize if anything I&#039;ve said here offends you-- it&#039;s not my intention, and I&#039;d appreciate your consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m here, I guess, to get some questions out, and maybe figure this out better in my head.  I don&#8217;t want to cause problems for you, and you seem like you don&#8217;t allow problems to arise for you&#8211; so here&#8217;s my big question today.</p>
<p>Say you do transition successfully.  HRT, facial feminization, vaginoplasty from some world class doctor in Thailand.  Lazer stuff for the hair, face, legs, etc.  Doctors examine you and you present as female.</p>
<p>What then?  Have you arrived?  Do you continue to feel as though you &#8220;don&#8217;t fit&#8221;, which is presumably why you began this journey in the first place?  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s my argument.  Please name me some very successful transgendered individuals, people who are widely known and recognized as successful leaders and teachers and individuals, because I don&#8217;t know any.  It seems that all the resources used by individuals to change their physical bodies and processes to &#8220;change gender&#8221; could be spent better.  All that money, all that anguish, all the fighting against the system, and what do you gain?  Will you really gain the peace you seek?  Or are you stuck in a continuous loop of unfulfillment because instead of dealing with the hand you were dealt, you decided to discard that hand?  Instead of learning the true meaning of &#8220;happiness&#8221; and finding it in what you have, you go off on the wild goose chase, the search for the holy grail, the elusive &#8220;peace&#8221; that is sure to come when you look completely like a woman.  Right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that your transition isn&#8217;t valid, I&#8217;m not saying that you shouldn&#8217;t do it, I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re wrong or that you will never be a real woman.  </p>
<p>What I am saying is this: What is your transition going to change?  What is it going to resolve for you that was so unresolved that you felt you had to take this path?  How is this path going to help YOU?  It&#8217;s going to greatly benefit trans-surgeons and doctors and everyone you&#8217;re going to pay for your procedures, but what about you?  Does this path really bring happiness?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;d like to know.  That&#8217;s the only part that really worries me&#8211; I&#8217;ve read and heard horror stories of how people do get to the other side and feel just as lost as they did before, which leads me to wonder if the transition is just another symptom, not necessarily a solution.  </p>
<p>Sorry for the super long comment and I want to apologize if anything I&#8217;ve said here offends you&#8211; it&#8217;s not my intention, and I&#8217;d appreciate your consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattie</title>
		<link>http://fridaythang.com/blog/2009/07/27/on-the-edge-of-trolling-pt-5/comment-page-1/#comment-1380</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d definitely say gender performance and roles have a lot to answer for and the sooner stereotypes of them vanish the better! Gender as identity, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s something that can be called outdated. Otherwise, you know, trans people and others wouldn&#039;t be needing to make an issue of it really. That&#039;s not behavioural it&#039;s identity and self. It&#039;s how you &lt;i&gt;express&lt;/i&gt; a gender identity and the expectations people have about this that is up for debate for me :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d definitely say gender performance and roles have a lot to answer for and the sooner stereotypes of them vanish the better! Gender as identity, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s something that can be called outdated. Otherwise, you know, trans people and others wouldn&#8217;t be needing to make an issue of it really. That&#8217;s not behavioural it&#8217;s identity and self. It&#8217;s how you <i>express</i> a gender identity and the expectations people have about this that is up for debate for me <img src='http://fridaythang.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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